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Terri Schiavo Judge George Greer Impeachment Petition
UPDATE (3/28/2005): Taste of Liberty wonders about the motive of Judge Greer. Join the discussion here.
There is an online petition here.
Whereas the Florida Constitution Article III Section 17 provides for the impeachment of judges for misdemeanor in office, misdemeanor being defined as a misdeed or offense less than a felony.
Whereas Judge George W. Greer is a judge in the 6th circuit court of Florida and bound to rule in agreement with Florida Statutes and the Judicial Code of Ethics,
The undersigned are petitioning Florida House Speaker Johnnie Byrd and the Florida House of Representatives to impeach Judge George W. Greer pursuant to the provisions in the Florida Constitution for the following violations of Statutes and Judicial Canons, which prove justification for impeachment.
Judge George W. Greer has caused public confidence in the judiciary to deteriorate due to his rulings regarding Terri Schiavo and thus violated Judicial Canon 1.
Judge George W. Greer has made rulings, which advance the private interests of Michael Schiavo, George Felos, and Senate President Jim King by allowing the statutes, which apply, to persons with terminal illness to order the death of Terri Schiavo by dehydration and starvation at the request of Michael Schiavo and thus is in violation of Judicial Canon 2B.
Judge George W. Greer has not ruled according to law in the case of whether to remove Terri Schiavo’s tube by which she receives nutrition and hydration. The rulings, which are inconsistent with Florida Statutes and Constitution, are:
[… List of 38 rulings… go check ‘em out.]
Participate if you wish. (Hat tip: Life Steward)
Other sites linking to the petition:
ProLife Blogs.
My Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
UPDATE: LaShawn Barber has joined the fray, and ProLife Blogs has more this morning.
http://myopiczeal.blogsome.com/2005/02/15/terri-schiavo-petition/trackback/
Blogging For Terri Schiavo
When I first read about the woman who talked after being in a coma for 20 years, I thought of Terri Schiavo. Although their conditions may be very different, one can’t help but wonder if the same could happen to Terri.
We may never know, it seems, …
Trackback by La Shawn Barber's Corner — February 15, 2005 @ 9:12 am
Presumably, the courts have already ruled on all of the listed issues. If they haven’t, then the problem lies with the Schiavo family’s legal representation; if they have, then the petition is tantamount to merely saying you don’t like the courts’ decisions.
That said, is there any marginally sophisticated legal analysis of the rulings?
Comment by jpe — February 15, 2005 @ 1:16 pm
Terri is breathing on her own. She responds to her parents.I’ve seen video of it. That’s why Judge Greer won’t allow more video. This is murder. Please help save Terri.
Comment by Marylou — February 23, 2005 @ 10:55 pm
It is the duty of a judge to uphold the Law. Murder is against the law and Judge Greer will himself be a murderer if he allows this woman, as helpless as she is to be killed. Her parents are ready and willing to care for their daughter without financial help. Her husband seems to be trying to cover his own guilt over abandoning his wife by having her killed. He is wrong to think that this move will free his conscience, he will only add the sin of murder to his adultery and abandonment.
Comment by Gloria Petrucci — February 25, 2005 @ 8:38 am
Terri is a human being. She should not be murdered by the court. This is ridiculous! If someone startved a dog to death, they would be arrested or fined. What has happened to peoples thinking?
Save Terri
Comment by Elizabeth — February 25, 2005 @ 6:08 pm
Please have mercy on Terry and her parents, why should her husband be able to make this decison just because he can, please let her live in the Name of God and everything Holy!
Comment by Deb S. — February 28, 2005 @ 5:46 am
the judge should go and see terri himself and see if she knows whats what,but in any case she should not be put to slow death just because its what her husband wants,he just doesnt want to put up with it any more and marry again and start his life over,well give him the million and a divorce and let terri’s family have her.my husbands cousin is in the same shape,he takes care of her at home and never leaves her side and doesnt allow anyone to care for her but him because he said its his turn to take care of her,she took care of him 40 years.its been 6 years now and he will never give up.please dont treat this human worse than you would treat a sick dog,shes someones daughter,sister,cousin ect ect.go see her for yourself mr judge dont down grade yourself for a man that has given up on his wife.
Comment by colleen gaskins — February 28, 2005 @ 2:11 pm
I can’t believe that this is happening in the United States. Michael Schiavo should be charged with attempted murder. NO MORE ACTIVIST JUDGES. LET TERRI LIVE!!!!
Comment by Natalie — March 2, 2005 @ 11:49 pm
do you have to life in Florida to sign the petition to impeach Judge Greer. Please answer soon.
Thank you
Comment by Sue — March 9, 2005 @ 6:09 pm
You people are so cruel.
Comment by Barbara — March 17, 2005 @ 12:26 pm
Where is the line? When does a human being cross the line from having value to becoming an inconvenience? God, please forgive us.
Comment by Jean — March 18, 2005 @ 4:56 pm
Terri left no WRITTEN directive and her husband says she told him she wouldn’t want to be kept alive in such a state. Since when does the court rely on heresay? You can’t do anything without a written contract except kill a helpless individual in the state of Florida apparently. God help Terri and comfort her family. The “husband”, “judge” and attorney trying so hard to murder her will answer to God for their actions.
Comment by Sandra Tate — March 19, 2005 @ 11:25 am
Circuit Court Judge George W. Greer is reported to be a conservative Republican and a born-again Southern Baptist. If this is so, then he should recall that the Bible says we should obey the laws of those in authority over us, except when those laws are counter to the Law of God. We must obey God rather than man. Civil laws which are in conflict with divine Law are not binding on a believer according to Scripture. Disobeying such laws can result in consequences by man but reward by God. To condemn a helpless woman to death who has committed no crime worthy of physical death is abominable. Such an action will carry severe consequences for Judge Greer. It can only be concluded that he is simply not strong enough morally or spiritually to stand up for what is truly right. He is to be pitied. Let’s watch what happens.
Comment by Spencer Downs — March 20, 2005 @ 4:12 pm
It breaks my heart. Our country is in deep trouble and there is apparently nothing we can do about it. Judges are now “Gods”.
Comment by D. Skowron — March 22, 2005 @ 9:15 pm
Colleen Gaskins wrote:
“please dont treat this human worse than you would treat a sick dog”
No reputable vet would recommend keeping a dog in a permanent vegetative state alive with feeding tubes for over a decade. You are right. She IS being treated worse than a dog because she isn’t being allowed to die with dignity.
Comment by Sheri — March 24, 2005 @ 6:52 am
If you are going to honor the LETTER of the law, then honor it by investigating the Florida State Health Law that states that a health care directive must be written and signed by two witnesses. In my knowledge, the only two witnesses, Terri Schiavo’s husband and brother-in-law, are oral testifiers to her wishes. I ask you to investigate the letter of the law regarding this issue and give Terri a reprieve while the investigation is ongoing.
Comment by Carol Ann Lowes — March 24, 2005 @ 3:14 pm
I cannot believe I live in a country where basic human needs are denied to a helpless person who can’t defend herself. I am ashamed to call myself an American. Judge George Greer should be impeached!
Comment by Aurora — March 25, 2005 @ 12:08 am
get er dun!!!
Comment by Julia barlow — March 26, 2005 @ 12:05 pm
The Catholic Press has said George Greer is a Baptist. Is there any Baptist out there willing to confirm this?
Comment by ann — March 26, 2005 @ 4:56 pm
Will no one evev try to take Michael Schiavo, Judge Greer and ATTY. Felos to court on grounds of conspiracy to murder. There seems to be enough data that points to this.
Comment by Bernadette K Irvin — March 26, 2005 @ 5:23 pm
It is sad how judges sometimes abuse power, but one day they will answer to a higher power.
Comment by g poulos — March 26, 2005 @ 6:00 pm
The Judge is right, Terri is already dead in body let her mind fly free. No one wants to live in this type of solidary prison forever!!!! GET REAL & HONEST WITH YOURSELVES!!!
Comment by mr. Jas — March 26, 2005 @ 7:41 pm
This right wing nut attempt to undermine our court system is way out of hand. Every Republican should be removed from office that participated in it.
Comment by pigboy — March 26, 2005 @ 11:18 pm
FOR GODS SAKE WHY NOT LET THE FAMILY TAKE HER HOME AND THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHS PROVIDE WHATS NEEDED FOR HER CARE……
JUDGE GEORGE GREER AND OUR WHOLE LEGAL SYSTEM…. SHOULD BE ASKED WHAT IS THE HARM… ITS NOT A MATTER FOR OUR COUNTRIES DEFENCE…
THIS A MATTER FOR OUR HEARTS….IS IT NOT….
THIS IS A CHRISTIAN LADY WHO`S POOR BODY IS CRYING OUT FOR SOMEONE TO HELP HER….
JUDGE GREER SHOULD BE SHAMED , SHUNNED AND THROWED OUT OF OFFICE….
Comment by MARY MAGDALENE RAMSEY — March 27, 2005 @ 10:28 am
Terri’s quality of life should not be in question, legalized murder is the subject. For anyone who believes Terri’s quality of life is grounds for mercy killing, please watch the movie “Lorenzo’s Oil.” It is a fine example of how a neurologically damaged person’s intellect can be locked up with the resultant inability to express oneself. It is a nightmare to think that Terri may have similar circumstances.
Comment by Lyn Brown — March 28, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
Yeah Right Lyn Brown. Tell that to your fraudulent leader in the Congress, Tom Delay. That lying slimy fool murdered his own father. Yeah, that is right, Tom the lying slimeball Delay disconnected his own father from life support for the very same reason that poor Mike Schiavo did. Life is not a movie dear. At least not a movie Republicans with a facist agenda will watch.
Comment by pigboy — March 28, 2005 @ 4:34 pm
The “right wing nut attempt to undermine our court system”? Um, it’s called the Constitution, and my guess would be you’ve not read it. Judges may NOT legislate, but legislators may. That’s the way our government was and is set up.
And . . . a feeding tube is not life support.
Comment by K. — March 30, 2005 @ 4:02 pm
K. That is correct. The judges were not legislating they were doing their jobs. All of them made a decision using actual facts. Not the crap you are watching on the Cable Networks. People have been disconnecting loved ones for years from life support including Teri’s father who disconnected his own mother from life support and Tom Delay who disconnected his own mother. Both, Both could have been saved if both of these creeps would have waited for the same kind of mircle they are expecting Mr. Schiavo to wait for.
Why didn’t they wait? Both could have been kept alive for 15 years just like Teri has been. Both could have gone through thearpies that would have been useless just like Mr. Schiavo did. Both could have had implants in their loved ones brains in hopes that experimental operation would revive their loved ones just like Mr.Schiavo did. Both could have gone the extra mile like Mr. Schiavo did. But they did not. Mr. Schavio has gone 15 long years supporting his wife.
Unlike those weasels and low lifes Shindler and Delay who chose to disconnect their loved ones Mr. Schiavo did not and hoped for 8 long years for her revival.
Now Mr. Schiavo is being punished for the love and support he gave to his wife. Strangers who do not know him or his struggles call him a murderer. Strangers who do not call him say all he wanted is money while he spent all the money he won on the wrongful death suit on her. And what did those low life leeches of a parent care about? The settlement money. Now they have lost it they are using Teri’s brain dead body for money. What parasites!!! How ugly.
No Teri Schiavo has been supported by Mr. Schiavo from the day she said ‘I do’. And all you leeches have done is attempted to do is take the wife of a very loving man away from him.
Wake up. Dont let these religious nuts and facist republican politicians take Teri Schiavo away from her husband. Dont let these few nutcases set the laws of this land. They will bring this nation down.
Comment by pigboy — March 30, 2005 @ 9:57 pm
Pigboy, What kind of drugs are you on? This has nothing to do with religious nuts or life support machines. This is strictly an issue dealing with giving a person food and water. Since it is well evident that you have no grasp of our country’s founding documents, let me enlighten you. In the Declaration of Independence (that’s the document that told the English that we are an independent nation and thus is considered THE founding document of this country), in the second paragraph it reads:
WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
Now since you or me or anyone (including her husband) can say for a provable fact that she wanted to die shouldn’t we as a society err toward the side of caution?
As far as your misguided feelings for her “husband”, please give me a break. He is shacking up with another woman for 10 years and has 2 kids with her. He is not Terri’s husband in a real sense of the term. Also, when they did xrays on Terri in 1991, why did they find old broken bones in her but yet she has no medical history of any broken bones? Do you think Michael, who was known by cops (who were repeatedly called to their “loving” house) to have a hot temper, might have been thumping her a little?
And since you’re such a student of history (ha), keep in mind that this is how Pol Pot and Hitler killed people with cerebral palsy and other disabilities to save on the cost of bullets. Is this the kind of society you want to live in and raise your kids in? Because if it is, it is coming since the slippery slope or the boiling frog theory is at work here.
Would I be correct in saying that you are a person who is opposed to me going hunting for deer or elk? Do you view that as cruel and inhumane? If you do, why would you give an animal so much “love” and give so little to a human being?
Someday you will grow up and understand why this former liberal is now a conservative.
Oh and by the way, please keep believing in abortion so that you will continue to kill off future liberal voters. It will help ensure us right wing nuts stay in office for centuries.
Comment by Mitch — March 31, 2005 @ 6:04 pm
Mitchy, I surely am not under the influence of drugs like your wonderful drug addicted leaders are like Georgie Bush, Randal Terry and Flush Limpballs. Drug addicts one and all.
And for some strange reason these druggies are held in some kind of high esteme with you all. And for some strange reason you support them even though they all take full advantage of you suckers.
Just look with all their promises all you have gotten so far is one brain dead woman and Oh yeah and hundreds of thousands of dead around the world in needless wars.
The Christian Death Cult thrives.
You really flatter your self and the rest of your fundementalist whakos nut case followers. Your kind will not be ruling in the next few years let alone in the next centuries.
Your kind will not be tolerated by the world much longer. You cannot impose your religion on the world and that drunk Bush has sold off Americas assets to China and India. Just wait they will cash in the billions of dollars of bonds they have if Shrub pushes them to far.
The Declearation of Independance sure does say those things. But they did not include women or african americans (you all know them as slaves).
You also must note that it was only a declearation of independence from England. It is not the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Neither of those documents contain the word God or Jesus or any refrence to any particular religious faith.
Which is great because you nut cases would be throwing everyone not like you in prison by now.
Condemning people to hell, excumunicating, banishing from church is fine by me. It means nothing. You see religion, church and god are all a choice. Which they all should be. Faith cannot be forced. Actually you can have faith and have no god at all under our wonderful Constitution.
Under our Constitution our government does not enforce religious doctrine as law. So don’t have that abortion. Just don’t ask others to follow that religious myth of yours.
As Thomas Jefferson said: The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man (Letter to J. Moor, 1800)
As for hunting. What the hell does that have to do with this tragedy? Geez Louise are you some kind of nut case that kills animals and leaves their carcus to rot or something. Just killing because you can. You are sick.
Last but not least attacking Mr. Schaivo does nothing to support your argument. Mr. Schiavo has been with her from day one and has loved her from day one. You can bet Teri would have wanted him to have someone to love and have children with. But someone like you could not have imagined the humanity and love of a spouse that who would not have wanted the one they loved to continue on with life. Mr. Schiavo did the right thing and he never gave up on Mr.Schiavo. He was there for her and she died in his loving arms.
Sincerely Pigboy
Comment by Pigboy — March 31, 2005 @ 9:32 pm
Pig boy had it right “he (Mr. Shiavo) never gave up on Mr. Shiavo”. He was there…
Heartless man! Why would a woman being executed through starvation and dehydration need an “assessment”? And why would any assessment need to be performed that would require her two siblings from being ejected from the room? I keep thinking what her dad said a few days ago about the administration of the morphine? The fact that Michael is an RN has only made the whole repugnant ordeal more sickening. Living in Florida is akin to Nazi Germany, whether we admit it or not!
Comment by Boblink — March 31, 2005 @ 10:46 pm
Booblink, you missed the whole point of my post. But what the hell. Never let anything get in the way of you fanaticism. One thing we will both agree on Boob it sure is a good thing we are not governed by religious doctrine. As far as Florida being akin to Nazi Germany, it will stay that way as long as that slime bush is governor of that unfortunate state.
Sincerely Pigboy
Comment by pigboy — April 1, 2005 @ 12:03 am
IMPEACH GEORGE GREER! HE’S [**************************************************].
MZ: In a rare bit of partial agreement with PigBoy, Lori’s comments have been redacted. They are entirely inappropriate. Please see our comment policy for further questions.
Comment by lori — April 1, 2005 @ 9:24 am
Lori,
Why on earth would you want to remove one of the few people that made decisions on Schiavo case based on facts not made up stuff like what Fox, Limpballs, Hannity, Nancy ‘the nostril’ Grace, and the rest of the wrongwing nut case, wrong doers did? Besides venting all your anger on one of the dozens of judges that decided in Mr. Schiavos favor is just plain wrong.
Who you need to be angry with is the politicians that saw the suffering of Mrs. Schiavo as a political oppertunity not a person.
Oh well, you conservative wrong wing nuts will attack anyone you are told too. Even the Conservative Republican Activist Judge named Greer.
So much for the ‘christian love’ of the christain death cult…………….. starve him to death indeed.
Sincerely Pigboy
Comment by pigboy — April 1, 2005 @ 9:40 am
MZ, Agree or not agree you have been very tolerant with my posts. Which gives me hope. This is your page and freedom of speech is not guaranteed on blogs.
Comment by Pigboy — April 1, 2005 @ 1:01 pm
Pigboy, and the name suits you by the way, you are so ignorant and uninformed. Please do a little research on this case before you make any comments. I can’t even believe that I am responding to such an idiot. Michael Schiavo won a large sum of money in a malpractice suit, approximately 300,000 was given to him and approximately 700,000 was put in a trust fund for Terri’s medical bills and rehabilitation that he promised to continue. But what did he do, instead? He immediately stopped all forms of rehabilitation and put her in a nursing home, and then later in a Hospice center, that is usually for patients that are dying within 6 months. Where I might add, Felos, Michael’s attorney, had been on the board of directors. What a coincidance! When Terri was being treated with antibiotics, by her doctor for a UTI, he demanded that they stop the therapy. An untreated UTI will eventually lead to death. He testified to doing this after he was taken to court, read the transcripts. But someone like you would probably think that he was just showing his love for her. He also refused to let her be taken outside in the sunshine and would not even allow the television to be on in her dark room. You don’t know what your talking about. And while your at it, if you can read, look over the bone scan report taken in 1991. Terri had not even had a MRI done before she died. Any reasonable person would agree that every test available to Terri should have been performed before she was starved to death. I don’t know what political party you belong to, but it sounds like maybe you are a Democrat, since you seem to condemn Republicans and the President. There were many Democrats that voted YES for the bill to help save Terri, but most people seem to forget this FACT. There are some good Democrats left, but remember a couple of months ago when they were so adamant against the nomination of Alberto Gonzales? The reason being was that they were so afraid that the terrorists captured would not be terrogated properly according to the Geneva Convention, that they might be hurt or tortured. Well, if you know anyhing about the Geneva Convention, starvation is defined as a form of torture, yet you condone the starvation of an innocent women, and call her blood family names. I guess learning that there are so many people in this world that think Michael Schiavo is some kind of a hero, is just as disturbing as what happened to Terri. You are so disgusting!!!!
Comment by Becky Holloway — April 2, 2005 @ 2:34 am
I’ve often wondered why Michael Schiavo refused to allow Terri to receive therapy and why he was obsessed with seeing Terri die. Seemed irrational to me. He found a new woman and is having children with her and stopped visiting Terri after he received settlement money, so we can assume he had little or no concern for Terri. Terri’s parents and siblings loved her and were willing to care for her as needed and able. Many statements on the internet indicate police originally investigated Terri’s accident(?) as a homicide because injuries to throat, legs, and head were consistent with homicide. Terri’s brother said when he arrived at Terri and Michael’s apartment on the night of the accident(?) Michael was a basket-case on the coach while Terri lie on the floor. Previous to the accident(?) Terri indicated she was afraid of Michael and wanted to leave him. I’ve read statements from health care workers indicating Terri was responsive and other patients in her condition are given rehabilitation therapy. I’ve watched many Sherlock Holmes and other detective movies and television programs and Terri is a classic murder case. Michael’s obsession with Terri’s death can be easily explained if Michael attempted to murder Terri in 1990. Michael became obsessed with seeing Terri die because he was afraid she might say something that would put him in prison for many years. For a bit of extra insurance, Michael is cremating the body, ensuring no one can reexamine it if allegations go to court. Although I despise the man, I must admit Michael is a criminal genius. But I can’t give Michael all the credit because it takes judges filled with hybris and a naive unsuspecting public to make it all work. This case reminds me of the O.J. Simpson case and I think it would make an excellent novel, or perhaps an investigative non-fiction book.
Comment by Michael Jeffrey — April 2, 2005 @ 1:18 pm
The aptly named pigboy shows us the ugly side of America once again.Thanks for the example.Now get in your time machine and go back to Germany circa 1938.How can anyone who knows,or cares to know,anything about the background of this case not see how evil and twisted Florida “justice” can be?Legally sanctioned murder by ghouls like Felos and Greer,and those enablers at the ACLU,is still murder and what’s truly amazing is how many “people” are angry at those of us who care about life.How can you not see how loving “husband” Michael has used the system to discard his “burden” of a wife once he’d lined his pockets with her lawsuit money.Is your hate for G. Bush so great that you don’t care if an innocent dies or not? You sicken me,you hate mongers.Hopefully you’ll one day come before Judge Greer while on a feeding tube.Then who will speak for you?
Comment by mrmyxylptyx — April 2, 2005 @ 4:34 pm
Reading some of the comments here almost makes me believe some people think Pigboy is a bad name. But I know being the devout christians that you are that could not be so. Not with so much love in those christian hearts……..
Here is a little history not based in fantacy of faux spews.
according to a USA TODAY review of voluminous records in the Probate Division of Pinellas County Circuit Court in nearby Clearwater.
Those records show that Michael Schiavo and the Schindlers jointly supervised care for Terri after she collapsed. For the first 16 days and nights that she was hospitalized, Schiavo never left the hospital. Over the next few years, as she was moved from the hospital to a skilled nursing facility, to a nursing home, to Schiavo’s home and finally back to a nursing home, Schiavo visited Terri daily.
They had met in a class at Bucks County Community College in Pennsylvania. They were engaged five months later and married on Nov. 10, 1984, in Huntingdon Valley, Pa. She was, he said, “sweet. Very personable. You would meet her and just be charmed by her. … To me, she was everything.”
Once Terri was unable to help herself, Michael became a demanding advocate.
John Pecarek, a court-appointed guardian for Terri, described her husband as “a nursing home administrator’s nightmare,” adding, “I believe that the ward (Terri) gets care and attention from the staff of Sabal Palms (nursing home) as a result of Mr. Schiavo’s advocacy and defending on her behalf.”
Mary Schindler testified that, while her daughter was at one nursing home, her relationship with her son-in-law was “very good. We did everything together. Wherever he went, I went.”
Schiavo and the Schindlers even sold pretzels and hot dogs on St. Pete Beach to raise money for Terri’s care. But everything seemed to change on Valentine’s Day 1993 in a nursing home near here.
In 1992, Schiavo had filed a medical malpractice lawsuit against two doctors who had been treating his wife before she was stricken. Late that year came a settlement: Schiavo received $300,000 for loss of consortium — his wife’s companionship. Another $700,000 was ordered for Terri’s care.
Mary Schindler later testified that Schiavo had promised money to his in-laws. They had helped him and Terri move from New Jersey to Pinellas County, let them live rent-free in their condominium and had given him other financial help.
“We all had financial problems” after Terri’s crisis, she testified. “Michael, Bob. We all did. It was a very stressful time. It was a very financially difficult time. He used to say, ‘Don’t worry, Mom. If I ever get any money from the lawsuit, I’ll help you and Dad.’ ”
By February 1993, Schiavo had the money from the lawsuit.
On Valentine’s Day that year, he testified, he was in his wife’s nursing home room studying. He wanted to become a nurse so he could care for his wife himself. He had taken Terri to California for experimental treatment. A doctor there had placed a stimulator inside Terri’s brain and those of other people in vegetative states to try to stimulate still-living but dormant cells.
According to Schiavo’s testimony, the Schindlers came into Terri’s room in the nursing home, spoke to their daughter, then turned to him.
“The first words out of my father-in-law’s mouth was how much money he was going to get,” Schiavo said. “I was, ‘What do you mean?’ ‘Well, you owe me money.’ ”
Schiavo said he told his in-laws that all the money had gone to his wife — a lie he said he told Bob Schindler “to shut him up because he was screaming.”
Schiavo said his father-in-law called him “a few choice words,” then stormed out of the room. Schiavo said he started to follow him, but his mother-in-law stepped in front of him, saying, “This is my daughter, our daughter, and we deserve some of this money.”
Mary Schindler’s account of that evening is far different. She testified that she and her husband found Schiavo studying. “We were talking about the money and about his money,” she said. “That with his money and the money Terri got, now we could take her (for specialized care) or get some testing done. Do all this stuff. He said he was not going to do it.”
She said he threw his book and a table against the wall and told them they would never see their daughter again.
A rift beyond repair
The accounts of that confrontation came in testimony during a January 2000 hearing on a petition Schiavo filed to discontinue his wife’s life support. Pinellas County Circuit Judge George Greer ruled the next month that the feeding tube could be removed.
Despite the row over money, Schiavo and the Schindlers agreed on one major point in the 2000 testimony: the extent of Terri’s brain damage, according to additional court documents cited by The Miami Herald. In the documents, Pamela Campbell, then the Schindlers’ lawyer, told the court that “we do not doubt that she’s in a persistent vegetative state.” Campbell could not be reached to confirm the statement.
At this point, however, the gulf between Schiavo and the Schindlers could not be bridged.
“On Feb. 14, 1993, this amicable relationship between the parties was severed,” Greer wrote. “While the testimony differs on what may or may not have been promised to whom and by whom, it is clear to this court that such severance was predicated upon money and the fact that Mr. Schiavo was unwilling to equally divide his loss of consortium award with Mr. and Mrs. Schindler.”
Daniel Grieco, the attorney who handled Michael Schiavo’s malpractice case, says his client never promised money to Bob Schindler. He also said Schindler never understood that he wasn’t entitled to money under Florida law.
Grieco says the money is at the root of the estrangement. “It was the precipitating factor,” Grieco says. “That was the fracture. That was the basis of it.”
Without the acrimony, Terri’s life-or-death saga probably would not have become big news, says Steve Mintz, a history professor at the University of Houston who studies families.
Today, the money from the lawsuit settlement is almost gone, Grieco, the attorney, says. Just $40,000 to $50,000 remained as of mid-March. The $700,000 in Terri’s trust has paid for her care, lawyers, expert medical witnesses. Michael Schiavo’s $300,000 share evaporated years ago, he says.
And as for those whacky nurses who supposedly were witness to so much abuse by Mr. Schiavo and were in contact with the Shindlers at the time of this claimed abuse. Not once did the Shindlers inspite of being aware of this ‘abuse’ ever subpoena either of these nurses to testify against Mr. Schiavo. Which would be impossible to believe if there really was abuse and we all know if there were truly were abuse they would have been called upon years ago.
As far as the ACLU is concerned if there was a case they would have defended her. I mean if they defend likes of Jerry Fawell, Rush Limpball and highschool students rights to write religious crap in their yearbooks they sure would have defended Mrs. Schiavo if she truly were being harmed.
Sincerely Pigboy
Comment by Pigboy — April 2, 2005 @ 8:25 pm
Pigboy, I’m glad to see that you did a little research on this case, but unfortunately not enough. Michael Schiavo immediately put a stop to any rehabilition for Terri after he recieved his money, and had her transferred to a nursing home to make sure of this. When he found out that she was being treated with antibiotics for a UTI, he went crazy and demanded that they stop any treatment for this. He testified to doing this after he was taken to court for doing it. What’s worse is the fact that 5 years ago, he had her transferred to a hospice center where his lawyer was on the board of directors. Patients in hospices are usually patients that have only 6 months or less left to live. How was this helping Terri? She was not dying!!! All of the money in Terri’s trust fund went to Michael’s lawyers to have her feeding tube removed which would lead to her death. Terri’s parents deserved some of that money after supporting his lazy self for so long. He had been fired from 6 different jobs before Terri’s suspicious accident. What about the bone scan? How do you explain that, and why was this never investigated? The parents didn’t even know about this bone scan until 2002. You are so DISGUSTING, and I can’t wait until the truth about this case finally comes out, and it will, because there are too many people that fell in love with Terri.
Comment by Becky Holloway — April 2, 2005 @ 10:31 pm
Becky, You know you really must get better information or at least post a link to the charges you make. Every reliable source have only good things to say about Mr. Schiavo and his care for Mrs. Schiavo. Even the courts: http://www.miami.edu/ethics/schiavo/Nov22%202002%20TC%20%20trialctorder11-02.txt have looked at all the evidence and have agreed that Mr. Schiavo was indeed the most reliable care giver. I don’t know how attacking such a wonderful man as a last resort can support this whacky religious facist agenda. The truth be told all you supposed right to lifers have been taken for suckers by the Tom Delays and Shrubs.
I mean just look at it. For all of their promises made all you have gotten is one brain dead woman and hundreds of thousands of innocent dead people in a war with a nation that never threatened or attacked us. Oh yeah and fuel prices that are have never been so high and fuel suppliers making 3 fold profit every quarter and not one word is being said about the price gouging in time of ‘war’. Naw you have been taken for suckers indeed. They play on your wacky religious beliefs, make promises to you and break everyone of those promises just keep to your hate alive and your blinders on. Suckers one and all. And that is not speculation.
Sincerely Pigboy
Comment by Pigboy — April 3, 2005 @ 12:20 am
Two things…1…Tyranny of the Courts..For Thomas Jefferson fears and thoughts go to
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson.quotations/jeff1030htm
2..For a similar case as Teri Schiavo…except this one is without an estranged spouse and myopic, tyrannical judge. She was stricken 18 days after Teri first became disabled.She lives. .Her name is Ann Brodeski..Read her story and about her loving parents ..Go to www.RRStar.com today’s (April 3,2005) online edition of the Rockford (IL) Morning Star. I wish Greer would read it…Perhaps he would feel like Judas in betraying a loving human and ordering her execution by dehyrdation/starvation.
Comment by Barney Baxter — April 3, 2005 @ 6:25 pm
Correction on Thomas Jefferson’s web page for quotations regarding his fears of the tyranny of the courst
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1030.htm
Barney
Comment by Barney Baxter — April 3, 2005 @ 6:36 pm
Another few thoughts about the LAW..the court ruling that Teri should be starved and dehyradted… that was the LAW..
1…..Jesus (mentioning this Name will upset some) died by the LAW (John 19/7)
2…..The Jews, the cripples, the mentally handicapped died in Germany under the LAW.
(The Enabling Act to the Nuremberg Laws, Nuremburg 1935).
3…..Amina Lawal, a 30 year old woman was sentenced to death by stoning in Nigera under the LAW for adultery March 2000. Justice prevailed in Nigera and her sentence was commuted.
Teri’s death sentence ‘under the law’ was carried out…
Barney.
Comment by Barney Baxter — April 4, 2005 @ 5:58 pm
Jodi Centonze , I’m sure your so happy that Terri finally died or what I really think is murdered buy the two of you . as it looks right now you may be getting away with it , (but I hope not for always )
I read on this site you and your loving husband to be plan to move out of Florida , (thank you GOD) but it does not matter where the two of you move. the media will follow you , because you will be known and never be forgotten or forgiven for what you did to Terri .
you may make lots of money off of her death, like movies and books, I would not be surprised if you didn’t have them in the works already , I believe that is why you turned down the 10 million offered to you to let Terri live , you knew if your took the money the people would hate you even more, you had to turn it down hoping to make the public think you killed Terri because it was Terri’s wishes,.that it was not over money or cover up . because you knew that you would make more than 10 million on a movie, book, and TV interviews.
I am sure you didn’t think the whole world would take an interest in little ole Terri’s life, even the Pope and the President. but hoped that most the people would believe the two of you put her to death in the most horrible way to die, (to starve for 2 weeks no food and water.) because it was Terri’s wishes.
Michael and Jodi I hope you never get the picture of Terri’s.dieing face out of your mine and that the two of you never fine peace in your heart or your relationship,
who are you trying to fool about staying at the hospice by Terri side till she died , you stayed because you wanted to control who came in to see her and to make sure no one gave her water. go ahead and make your movies and write your books , you can show them to your children when they get older , I’m sure they will be so proud of you both but there will be lots of books and movies in Terri favor also.
Jodi, I hope you have a living will, or your loving husband will pull your plug after he receives money from the malpractice suit he will file. lol
Comment by chamberlain — April 7, 2005 @ 7:11 pm
For a very similar case as Teri’s go to http://rrstar.com click on ‘Archive’ and bring up April 3, 2005…a young woman at age 18 was stricken just one month after Teri..Now she, Ann Brodeski, is 32 and is still going strong…Thankfully there is no former husband or tyrannical judge..
Comment by Barney Baxter — April 10, 2005 @ 2:46 pm
MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!
MZ adds: Actually, that is a significant (yet common) misquote. Check out the original at Timothy 6:10.
Comment by MICHELLE — April 11, 2005 @ 7:08 pm
From CNN……
“There is no supporting documentation that the spouse ever made statements about ‘Is the bitch ever going to die?’ or ‘When will the bitch die because I will be rich.’”
A DCF report from a year earlier said Michael Schiavo had no access to hundreds of thousands of dollars awarded to his wife from a medical malpractice suit.
“He is only the guardian of person and the financial guardian is a banking institution. All expenditures are authorized by the court and [Michael Schiavo] has no control over them,” it said.
The Schindlers made eight complaints to DCF starting in 2001, with each one containing multiple allegations of abuse and neglect.
But agency said it found no evidence that Michael Schiavo abused, neglected or exploited his wife.
“During the time Mrs. Schiavo has been a patient of hospice [Hospice House Woodside in Pinellas Park], the spouse has always been courteous and very compassionate towards his wife. He is rarely alone with her when he visits and he has never compromised her care,” the DCF said.
As you all have noticed this was not headline news. In fact Teri Schiavo has not been heard about in the press since the Pope and the Prince died and the Prince got married. The poor suffering woman died and could no longer be used by Tom Delay and the fanatical fundementalists who want to destroy this nation.
No you will no longer hear about Mrs. Schiavo unless there is some sort of fundraiser being held by a republican or it is election season.
But the good news is that Tom Delay who attempted to profit from Mr and Mrs. Schiavo’s suffering is about to lose his power in Congress because of his unethical behavior. Of which stopping legislation that banned child prostitution and sweat shops in the Pacific Common Wealth of the Mariana islands is at the top of the list.
Comment by Pigboy — April 16, 2005 @ 10:28 pm
Give it a rest. By there not being no legal will, the husband has the right to make that decision for her. No one knows what the conversation between him and his wife could have been. For all we know she could have told him that she wanted to live. Just beacause some one agree with the husband doesn’t make them heartless. The people wanted the judges to rule with their heart not by the law, but he has to uphold the law because that is his duty. The judges we just doing thier job and following the law.
Comment by pintsize — April 17, 2005 @ 3:23 pm
See my blog Teknosis:
http://tekgnosis.typepad.com
It has a post that includes an e-mail from Dr. “Death” Cranford.
Also here was my latest post to my Terri’s Justice Yahoo!Group
members:
The following was a challenge given out [Ed. note: which has now been slightly modified April 18, 2005] and also included below is a URL for our press release:
From your friendly neighborhood moderator/creator of terrisjustice. See below. We have been challenged and now I must issue my challenge to you.
Those in the pinnacles of authority [Jeb Bush and others] believe that we are going to melt away and give up seeking justice for Terri.
The famous motto of the Zapatistas is one response of ours in this regard: Ya Basta!
We will never surrender! We will never tire!
Challenge to you: go out and inform 10 other people what happened to Terri. Get them signed on terrisjustice. Ask them to do the same.
This is how the grassroots grows and is the only true means of getting a true geometrical progression realized.
If you are not for getting justice for Terri against those with blood on their hands do not join this list. If you are a spy or have mal-intents and you try to join or succeed in joining please leave the list or it may be that one day you will die a horrible death not at our hands but as a result of your disingenuous actions which resulted in karmic repercussions. This is a form of what is called felos-de-se (a senseless or purposeful act of self-murder).
NOTE:
A great deal of lee-way is necessary, given the scope of the work, and I am committed to freedom of expression. HOWEVER, it does sometimes become necessary to remind ourselves of our purpose and the basic rules of etiquette when communicating with others.
Flame wars and attacks on the character of others are not allowed on this list, and other members of the list not involved should not be subjected to emails containing such material - carry them on in private please if you must, or more adult behavior, don’t indulge in them at all.
We will remind once in awhile if things get a little out of hand, and any continued offense will be dealt with by either a moderation of the posts of the offender(s) or, when all else fails, a complete ban on those posts, especially when several complaints have been received from offended list members.
We have never had to take action in some years of doing this, and we hope this will never be necessary. Thank you for your support, and may your experience on this list be as enjoyable as it is informative.
URL for press release [also contained in Yahoo! News]:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/4/prweb229498.php
JS
Comment by pc93 — April 19, 2005 @ 10:54 am
Judge Greer should be charged with murder. Michael Schiavo was not fit to have legal guardianship over Terri Schiavo. There was proof of Michael’s abuse to Terri as the bone scan shows; Terri had a BROKEN BACK, FRACTURED RIBS, BOTH KNEES WERE BROKE, BOTH ANKLES WERE ALSO BROKEN. All these terrible things happened to Terri before she became sick.
According to a MEDICAL EXPERT Terri had an injury to her neck that was consitant with strangulation. I believe that the strangulation was what cause her collapse. Another MEDICAL EXPERT testified that there was never a diagnosis for an heart attack. This tells me that Michael is a lier.
Michael was so fast to have Terri cremated WHY? If Judge Greer gave a dam and looked at the medical evidence of Michael’s endless abuse and neglect there is no way in hell he schould have given Michael power of life and death over Terri.
Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri could talk and was improving in
the very first year when she was getting some rehabilitation (BEFORE Michael
got the money), and that the medical records confirm, that after Michael got
the money, rehabilitation was completely stopped!
There is an online petition to get Judge Greer Impeached to sign this documant just go on line in type the words (PETITION TO IMPEACH JUDGE GREER)
Terri did not get justice in life; let us as human beings give Terri justice and death!
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